Monday, July 20, 2015

A handful of not very good stuff...



From the awful yarmulke-wearing chillul hashem file...

Yep, Jews can be monstrous and intolerant. Surprise! Unfortunate fun begins at around 3:50: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/07/16/watch-tur-threatens-to-send-shapiro-home-in-an-ambulance-during-jenner-discussion/

From the with friends like these file...

Hooray! Watch a bunch of Jesus-loving RW Conservative Republicans attack the Israeli flag at a Pro Confederate flag demonstration: http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/07/19/ku-klux-klan-members-shred-israeli-flag-at-south-carolina-protest-video/#

What's that objection I hear? 99 percent of the actual* Jesus-loving RW Conservative Republicans would shun and condemn a bunch of KKK anti-Israel whackjobs? Very good. Now maybe you're beginning to understand how pro Israel Democrats (ie the overwhelming majority) feel! Haha!

*NO TRUE SCOTSMAN

From the Peek-A-Jew* pile...

Spot the Menorah @1:07  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cn716jv61s Apparently, the psycho author with  the anti-social tendencies is also a Jew. Damn you Hollywood! (HT: Avi - last name if he says its OK)

*I invented Peek-A-Jew. Don't use it without attribution. Thanks.

From the Lord, what is it about the color black that makes people sentimental and stupid file?

Read this www.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/business/the-american-way-of-tech-and-europes.html

Money quote:
“But it goes deeper than that,” Mr. Kirkegaard said. “New Yorkers don’t get all nostalgic about yellow cabs. In London, the black cab is seen as something that makes London what it is. People like it that way. Americans tend to act in a more rational and less emotional way about the goods and services they consume, because it’s not tied up with their national and regional identities.”
The comparison to Judaism is immediately obvious, right?


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Thursday, July 16, 2015

Matos isn't very PC


I promise to build this out in greater detail later tonight or tomorrow, but for now I just want to drop the intellectual hand grenade and see what sort of damage it does.

In Matot - this week's parsha - we have two sets of passages that ought to offend any ethically sensitive person. I'm speaking first of the right given to husbands and fathers to annul any vows made by their wives and daughters and second of the commandment to exercise religious genocide upon the Midianites.

Both smack of Saudi Arabia.  Women are infants who can't take on any commitment absent some superior man's approval and the attack on Midian is nothing if not genocide. Square this with Judaism, if you can.

Like I said, I will say more later, but for now you're invited to react to the verses I've referenced.

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Friday, July 10, 2015

Journey Beyond

@azigra

A video was released today of a sworn deposition from June 2015 in the case Ferguson v. JONAH. 

The gentleman being deposed, in great and extremely disturbing detail, explains a particular conversion therapy process which is called "Journey Beyond". 

Presumably, many people attended these events due to or with the support of major Rabbinical leaders. Below left is a letter in support of JONAH from R Shmuel Kaminetzky from 2000, and below right is a more recent response from Chaim Dovid Zweibel to an interview. 

(click the photos for a larger view) 



Both of these rabbis, and certainly many others clearly support and believe in, and would try to convince others to attend these events. 

Try to listen to the details of these Rabbinically approved therapy techniques without feeling sick:


Sophistry and dishonest about gay marriage: Comment of the week


"Kudos" writes a comment for the ages

The sophistry and dishonesty that goes on here when dealing with an issue like homosexuality in Judaism is unbelievable.

Agreed. And in a fine tradition it is, too.

Like when the Torah clearly says that a disobedient son should be hauled before the elders and stoned to death at the gates of the city.

And then the Rabbis came around later and, realizing how cruel and horrible that punishment was for the "crime," they decided to say that the Torah really meant that the son was only to be judged disobedient if the offense occurred in a three month window between bar mitzvah and physical maturity, that the voices of the parents had to be so much alike that the could be confused for one another, that the appearance and height of the parents had to be the same, that the parents couldn't be crippled or lame, both parents must assent to the stoning, and the disobedience had to have involved stealing money in order to buy a bunch of food on which the son gorged himself all at once - and not in his parents' house - and in so doing assured that no child would ever be killed by a Jewish court for doing what kids (even adult ones) sometimes do: disobey or rebel against their parents.

Judaism has a very long and respectable tradition of taking a harsh, barbaric, or unfair law, looking at the text and then pulling out of it some of the most tortured and ridiculous justifications for legally not enforcing said harsh, barbaric, or unfair law. And thank HaShem that they did so.

So, kudos to Rabbis like R.Yossi, and Orthodox Jews like DB, who are willing to try to do the same in the modern era and relieve some of the pain, alienation, and condemnation that our LGBT brothers and sisters currently endure.

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The Motives of a Critic


Gutnick's Lubovitch translation and interpretation of the Torah is a collection of many gems.  Along with great excerpts from R' M.M Shneerson's superb super-commentary on Rashi, Gutnik's Bible also includes seldom-seen selections from Ibn Ezra, Chizkuni and other examples of not-all-that-frum exegesis. Plus there's this wonderful accident (I assume?) from Parshas Vayerah.

And when we get to Parshas Pinchas, we find a mini-essay that appears under the title "The Motives of a Critic." Here are a few salient sentences from it:
The tribes appeared to have convincing proof that Pinchas' motives were not pure (see Rashi) but they were mistaken. This teaches us an important lesson whenever [sic] we are tempted to find fault with another person's good deeds and questions their motives: One can never know another's true intentions.
Let these words stand as a rebuttal to all of the gay-haters who thought we were up to no-good this week as we attempted to be melamed zechus both on gay Jews and the Sages who criticized them. Let them also stand as a an attack on our misogynistic friends who see evil intentions whenever a woman attempts to take on something new. 

In fact, can you read these words without wanting to shove them down the throat of every anti-WPG Rabbi you've ever met? When a woman wants to daven with other women, every Rabbi to the right of Avi Weiss screams feminism, or makes insulting guesses about her ulterior motives. This doesn't happen to men. Our motives aren't ever subjected to the same degree of scrutiny. When a man takes on a new ritual observance, no one questions his intentions. No one says, "Hey I bet he's only doing that to secure a better match for his daughter, or to make people forget about the target vomiting last year during Hakafot."

But let a women try to improve herself, and she goes right under the microscope. Why the double standard?

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Wednesday, July 08, 2015

3 strikes, yer (coming) out


 A guest post by Y. Bloch

Sometimes being well-versed isn't enough.
I've noticed in the two weeks since Obergefell came down, the opponents of the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling, at least those of the Jewish persuasion, have been changing up their tactics.
It's old hat to cite Lev. 18:22/ 20:13. After all, then one would have to admit that halakhically, all that prohibits is anal sex between males (as Hizkuni ad loc. notes, whetting one's sword would not be included). Also, one might have to admit that various commentators have read the verse differently, not just in modern times but a millennium (Rabbeinu Hananel ad loc.) or two (Bar Hamduri, Yevamot 83b) ago. Those readings may have more philosophical than legal implications, but they're still significant.
Instead, they rely on a trinity of exegetical passages, from the Talmud and Midrash. Let's see them:

#1: Midrash, Sifra, Aharei 9:8
I did not say this [prohibition] except for the statutes enacted by them, their fathers, and their father's fathers. And what would they do? A man would marry a man, a woman [would marry] a woman, a man would marry a woman and her daughter, and a woman would marry two men. Therefore it says, "and in their statutes do not follow" (Lev. 18:3).
In other words: Don't walk like an Egyptian. This is the source for forbidding lesbianism in Jewish law (Maimonides, Laws of Forbidden Relations 21:8). It is a lower-level prohibition than all the others in Chapter 18, the punishment only rabbinical. But what about for non-Jews? Maimonides does not mention it in his list of prohibitions for Noahides (Laws of Kings 9:7), but maybe it's implied by this source. After all, God seems to be criticizing Egypt for it. The only problem is that many of the relationships described in that chapter are perfectly fine for non-Jews. So perhaps the Sifra is highlighting the ones that are universally unacceptable, like polyandry and same-sex marriage? A fine thought, except in between them we have "a man would marry a woman and her daughter"--and a Noahide is allowed to marry his daughter-in-law. In fact, he's allowed to marry his own daughter. No, really, look it up. Traditional marriage, what can I say?

#2: Midrash, Genesis Rabba 5
"They took women of all they chose"--wives of [other] men; "of all they chose"--males and animals.
Rabbi Huna in the name of Rabbi said: The Generation of the Deluge was not wiped off the face of the Earth until they wrote gemumasiot for males and animals.
Said R. Simlai: Wherever you find promiscuity, collective punishment comes to the world and kills good and evil alike.
Gemumasiot are translated by some as ketubot, prenuptial documents (mainly based on source #3). Well, there you go. People start writing ketubot for gay weddings, and it's all over! But a ketuba is a marriage contract between two people--did people write one for a cow? And why use some bizarre foreign-sounding word instead of a famous Hebrew one for a Jewish concept?
Prof. Marcus Jastrow, in his authoritative Aramaic dictionary, points instead to Hymenaios, a rousing coupling song sung at weddings. Oh, and another volume of Midrash, Leviticus Rabba (23), has a slightly different version of this tradition.
Said R. Simlai: Wherever you find promiscuity, collective punishment comes to the world and kills good and evil alike.
Rabbi Huna said in the name of Rabbi Jose: The Generation of the Deluge was not wiped off the face of the Earth until they wrote gumasiot for males and females.
Not males and animals, but males and females. Suddenly, it's the bawdiness of the songs and the licentiousness it reflects which is at issue. Sir Mix-a-lot may yet kill us all.

#3: Talmud, Hullin 92a-b
"And I said to them: If ye think good, give me my hire; and if not, forbear. So they weighed out for my hire thirty pieces of silver" (Zech. 11:13). Said R. Judah: These are the thirty righteous men among the nations of the world by whose virtue the nations of the world continue to exist.
Ulla said: These are the thirty commandments which the sons of Noah took upon themselves but they observe three of them, namely (i) they do not draw up a prenuptial document for males, (ii) they do not weigh flesh of the dead in the market, and (iii) they respect the Torah.
Rabbi Ari Hart already wrote an excellent piece about this passage, and I heartily recommend it. I would just add that it is important to note how difficult it is to make lore into law. Ulla is trying to explain an obscure verse in Zechariah, and there are some striking differences between his conception of Noahide laws and the standard view, explored at length in the seventh chapter of Tractate Sanhedrin and codified by Maimonides.
  1. Ulla has 30, 27 of which are unidentified, rather than 7.
  2. Ulla says the nations "took upon themselves" these strictures, rather than being commanded by God.
  3. Ulla lists commandments which have no equivalent among the 613 commandments incumbent upon Jews.
  4. According to the Jerusalem Talmud (Avoda Zara 2:1), the thirty commandments are not what the Noahides accepted, but what they will accept in the future.
With all this in mind, it is very hard to try to formulate a comprehensive worldview based on Ulla's statement. But he sure doesn't like gay marriage, right?
Well, the first presumption is that Ulla is in fact talking about males who are marrying each other. It may be that he is simply talking about an arrangement in which wealthy females write prenups guaranteeing that they will support their poor husbands after death or divorce.
As Rashi reads it, it's a little bit more complicated. Gay prostitution is accepted in Ulla's locale, gay concubinage is accepted, but gay prenups go too far. Why would this be? A prenup seems to be quite technical. If the issue is making the relationship open, official and ordinary, why is concubinage fine? Concubines were publicly known, their children were recognized--that IS biblical marriage. Solomon's 300 concubines were not a secret.
However, if one studies Ketubot, it becomes clear why the ketuba is so important: it is the bedrock of societal gender roles. A female goes from her father's house straight to her husband's house, but what maintains her after the latter's death or divorce? That is why the Rabbis instituted ketuba, to obviate the need for women to step into a man's world. They went so far as to say that any marriage without it was unacceptable. And thus, extending that to males would totally change the social order.
Ulla, as explained by Rashi, accepts the reality of anal sex between men and of that relationship being formalized. He just objects to extending rights, creating a sinecure for a gay paramour. If people really accepted Ulla's statement as halakha--and there are many compelling reasons not to--then their cry would be: sex, yes; marriage, yes; rights, no. Instead they claim the opposite position, as exemplified by Israeli Education Minister Naftali Bennett: “Rights, yes. Recognition, no.”
Ulla's exegesis is social commentary, which is why he points to socioeconomic mores, rather than the essential issues addressed by the Seven Noahide Laws. And when it comes to socioeconomic mores, I don't think we're in third-century Palestine anymore.
So would the sages of the Talmud and Midrash have celebrated this ruling? I highly doubt it. But if we want to figure out how we should react, we must do our due diligence and subject our sources to the strictest scrutiny.



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Tuesday, July 07, 2015

Now we turn to Yisoscher Katz

I'm a big Yisoscher Katz fanboy. I like the way he writes, I like the way he thinks, and I miss interacting with him on the Facebook thingie. But I'm still going to pull his ponytail about the Forward article he published in which he said we Jews need a Rebbe to get involved and solve our gay marriage problems.
So far, the Orthodox leadership’s reaction to the Supreme Court’s decision has been exclusively, narrowly halakhisist (legalistic) — very much in line with how the Vilna Gaon would have reacted. The response of Chassidic rebbes who follow the Ba’al Shem Tov would have been very different, in tenor and content. That is the voice sorely missing in our community. While we are blessed with plenty of rabbis opining about the decision and its consequences, we are desperately missing the voice of a rebbe.

The plight of gay people presents a huge challenge to the Orthodox believer. The rabbi and rebbe have very different clerical roles to play in this religious conundrum. The rabbi’s role is to judge; the rebbe’s is to provide pastoral care. The rabbi, guided by the Talmud and codes, opines and adjudicates, while the rebbe, whose halachic thinking is augmented by a spiritualist orientation, shuns judgment in favor of spiritual care
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While the halachisists explore the minutiae of Jewish law to see if Orthodoxy can make room for the gay people in their midst, the rebbes have a different role to play. The rebbes need to be these people’s spiritual chaperones, walking alongside them on the arduous journey of reconciliation between their religious convictions and their inherent sexual predisposition, in the process helping them sanctify this torturous journey
Clearly R' Yisoscher is thinking and speaking in Platonic ideals when he tells us a Rebbe would walk alongside our wretched gay brothers and sisters guiding them on the "arduous journey of reconciliation between their religious convictions and their inherent sexual predisposition, in the process helping them sanctify this torturous journey." Platonic ideals don't exist in reality and neither does a Rebbe like this. Real Rebbes are less generous, father-figures and more Kingpin - both in terms of their girth and ruthlessness.

But let's forgive our friend Yisoscher for the broad, unsympathetic way he sketched those cold, Pharisaic Rabbis, and let's excuse his fantasies about loving, Jesus-like Rebbes who hold the whole world in their embrace reconciling sinners with God. Instead, let's congratulate Yisoscher on his Main Idea: Gay Jews are Jews first. And just as we have room in our hearts for Jews who cheat, and steal, and write mean blog posts (ahem), we should have room in our hearts for Jews who are gay.

Bashing gay Jews over the head with a bible verse is a coward's way out. Its easy, its mean and it doesn't take guts or imagination. You want to prove your spiritual chops? Act like those Rebbes Yisoscher Katz writes about. Instead of using the law, interpret it. Instead of crowding people out, make room for them in here. Worry more about the souls and hearts and needs of real people and less about what people who kept slaves, beat their wives and practiced medicine with leeches imagined our unknowable, unapproachable, unfathomable God really wants.

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Fisking Pruzansky On Obergfell

Among the many crimes Pruzansky commits every time he posts is his attack on brevity. Why can't the man say what he has to say and be done in under, say, 3000 words?

This selfish indulgence of his make his posts difficult to read, and more importantly difficult to fisk (Once I labored through seven posts just to adequately deal with a single one of his eruptions) so we won't be addressing every stupid thing he says in his new post about Jonah and Obergfell. Just the highlights. Here we go..

That is a joke (I think) – and of course this is not meant to equate all sexual sins – but what is no joking matter is the threat to religious liberty posed by this decision. All of Kennedy’s protestations notwithstanding, people of faith – people who believe in G-d’s Bible and its objective moral laws and attempt to incorporate those laws in their daily lives – will suffer as a result of this decision. Wait – it won’t be that long – for a same sex couple to demand their right to hold their wedding in a church or synagogue. A refusal will result in prosecution, lawsuits and/or loss of tax exempt status. 

This is just stupid. No one will prosecute, because a church that refuses to host a gay wedding isn't breaking the law. The rejected couple might sue - you can always sue - but the the first judge to see the case will point to the Second Amendment and laugh the litigants right out of the building.  And who is going to strip the Church of its tax exempt status? Congress? Don't make me laugh. Even if they tried, the Court would go all McCulloch v. Maryland on their asses. 

Wait – perhaps a little longer – for a rabbi, priest or minister to be sued for refusing to officiate at a same sex wedding. 

I can sue a church, priest or minister for looking at me wrong. I can sue a priest, church or Rabbi for writing a long-winded and stupid blog post about gay marriage. I can sue for any reason I like (The answer to "Can I Sue?" is always "Yes.) So sure, a clergyman might get sued for refusing to officiate at a same sex wedding, but the important thing is this: The person bringing the lawsuit would never win. 

And let me add something brilliant our friend MarkSofla said earlier. In this country, Jews can marry Catholics. Its perfectly legal. Go to the county clerk and ask for a license to marry someone of a different faith, and you'll get it. Every time. But when was the last time, an interfaith couple sued a Hasidic Rabbi for refusing to officiate at their wedding? Has it ever happened? If it did happen, do you imagine that there's any chance the Rabbi would lose? 

The homosexual lobby masterfully (and disingenuously) conflated same sex marriage with interracial marriage; consequently, religious institutions or individuals that continue to object to same sex marriage will be no better than racists. Recall that Bob Jones University lost its tax exempt status in 1983 because its policies banned interracial dating (it rescinded the policy in 2000). Get ready, people of faith. Our heads are now on the chopping block.

Has Pruz read the Bob Jones case? I haven't, but I skimmed the Wikipedia article about it and all it too was 30 seconds to determine that Pruz has the case and its consequences all wrong: 
The Court, speaking through [Justice] Burger found... "Government has a fundamental, overriding interest in eradicating racial discrimination in education . . . which substantially outweighs whatever burden denial of tax benefits places on [the University's] exercise of their religious beliefs." The Court made clear, however, that its holding dealt "only with religious schools—not with churches or other purely religious institutions." 
So some schools might have a problem if they wish to employ discriminatory admissions policies, but shuls can continue to rest easy. (This is nothing new. A yeshiva or day school that banned gay students was on the wrong side of the law before Obergfell. I'm not sure how Obergfell puts them at any new risk. Readers?)

That is the invariable next step now that individuals have already lost their religious liberties and rights of conscience. 

They haven't lost this at all. I'm still free to hate black people, for example. I can say nasty things about black people, and preach about their inferiority, and the government won't interfere. I only get into trouble if I refuse to sell a product or a service to a black person, on the grounds that he is black. This doesn't interfere with my "rights of conscious" I still get to hate black people. I just don't get to make the black person suffer. 
This is what makes Pruzansky's position so obnoxious. He doesn't merely want to hate gay people. He wasn't to harrass and humiliate them. He wants the right to get in their way, and  to cause them difficulties. And now that this privilege he been taken away he whines that all he really wants to do is hate them. Well, then he's in luck. Hating them is still ok. 

The Mozilla CEO was hounded out of his position because he contributed to a ballot initiative in California that – successfully but now futilely – opposed same sex marriage.

In the Mozilla case private people reacted privately to something that they found unacceptable. If they had drummed the CEO out of office for wishing to gay marry someone, presumably Pruzansky would applaud. 

Bakers, caterers, photographers, and florists have all refused to lend their personal services to same sex weddings on grounds of religious conscience, have all been sued, and have all lost. 

They sued on grounds of religious conscience, but that's not why they lost. The butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker all get to continue hating gays.  That hasn't been taken away. What they can't do is discriminate against  people on the basis of race, creed or sexual orientation. And as a member of a historically persecuted minority myself I think that's a very good thing. 

And here’s the secular danger to the decision: it will result in the collapse of the family, already under siege in this hedonistic society. American youth, already bedeviled by gender confusion and late to marry, if at all, will grow up in a society in which there is no preferred family structure – no vision of an ideal family unit that has the best chance of rearing healthy, well-grounded, and productive children. The radical homosexual activists would have us believe that it does not matter whether one is raised by a mother and father, two mothers, two fathers, one mother, one father, or any other permutation thereof. But, of course, it does, and G-d – and common sense – teaches us otherwise.

Where did God personally weigh in on any of this? Can you show me the verse, please? And common sense gets things wrong all the time. Comon sense told us that the sun rotated around the earth. Common sense told us that leeches were a great way to cure diseases. So rather then relying on Pruz's "common sense", I'd like to look at the science: 
Most research studies show that children with two moms or two dads fare just as well as children with heterosexual parents. In fact, one comprehensive study of children raised by lesbian mothers or gay fathers concluded that children raised by same-sex parents did not differ from other children in terms of emotional functioning, sexual orientation, stigmatization, gender role behavior, behavioral adjustment, gender identity, learning and grade point averages. Where research differences have been found, they have sometimes favored same-sex parents.
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Stray Gay Thoughts Part 3: Ulla FAQs


Ulla, the fourth century amora, is enjoying some fresh popularity nowadays as Rabbi after Rabbi cite him on gay marriage. To review,  here is what Ulla said about 1700 years ago:

[Ulla says:] These are the thirty commandments which the sons of Noah took upon themselves but they observe three of them, namely,(i) they do not draw up a kethubah document for males (ii) they do not weigh flesh of the dead in the market, and (iii) they respect the Torah.

FAQS about Ulla


Did Ulla approve of homosexuality? 

Probably not. Almost definitely not. 99.99 percent with a bar over it not.

Would Ulla have approved of the Obergfell decision? 

Probably not. (But he also probably wouldn't have approved of a Supreme Court, female justices, Catholic justices, rude and pompous justices named "Antoin", constitutions, Congresses, or representative democracy.)

Can Ulla's observation about the sons of Noah credibly be used to attack Obergfell?

No. In the passage cited above Ulla is complimenting the sons of Noah from refraining from issuing ketubah contracts. Obergfell has nothing to do with ketubah contracts. Obergfell found that states must issue licenses. A license is a permit from an authority. A contract - even a ketubah contract - is an agreement drawn up between two parties that impose  obligations and corresponding rights. Gay lovers who wanted to draw up contracts that outlined rights and obligations regarding inheritance, divorce payments, custody and all of the other things that might have been covered in a 4th century ketubah (as opposed to the generic, ritualized one we use today) were always free to do so. Obergfell didn't change anything in that respect.

So while I agree Ulla probably would not have celebrated Obergfell, using his famous observation to attack it is a little like using a recipe for lemonade to make chocolate milk. Obergfell is about apples, while Ulla is talking about oranges.

But isn't Ulla talking about marriage? Even if he and Obergfell are addressing two categorically different things, doesn't it all come down to this: The Supreme Court is making it easier for gays to marry which is something Ulla fundamentally opposed?

Its notoriously difficult to decode a 1700 year old figure of speech so while it may sound to us like Ulla has marriage in mind when he says "they do not draw up a kethubah document for males" this is by no means certain. Moreover, even if we stipulate that Ulla is speaking about marriage, the 4th century marriage he had in mind is nothing at all like a 21st century marriage. And if Ulla has a Jewish marriage in mind, his words also have nothing to do with Obergfell as the decision will not cause anyone to write up ketubah deeds for SSM,


So to reiterate. You can use Ulla to attack gay (4th century style) marriage. You can't use Ulla to attack Obergfell.

I've invited Rabbi Y. Bloch to compose a post about the 30 commandments Ulla mentions and why this is an additional reason to say that Ulla's observation can't be used to attack Obergfell. 

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Monday, July 06, 2015

Typical Anti Gay Marriage Person

by @azigra

There have been lots of opinion pieces written and comments submitted across the internet on the gay marriage ("GM") issue on both sides. A lot of the writing is being presented anonymously so its hard sometimes to put some of the ideas and opinions in context. As a service to those reading this, I'd like to present this video to place those comments of people who are against GM in context. The woman in this video is the typical anti GM proponent, IMO.

Hopefully, this will help in understanding their views and outlook. 


Stray Gay Thoughts Part 2


Aside from the famous verse in Leviticus, discussed this morning in Part 1,our anti-Obergfell friends use two other passages to justify and legitimize their pre-existing hatred for homosexuality.

Both are from the aggada.

Chullin 92b 
[Ulla says:] These are the thirty commandments which the sons of Noah took upon themselves but they observe three of them, namely,(i) they do not draw up a kethubah document for males (ii) they do not weigh flesh of the dead in the market,2 and (iii) they respect the Torah. 

Points to consider
  • This is not a statement of normative halacha. Ulla is merely sharing a [polemical] observation. Though he lives in a society where, presumably to his regret,  sodomy is allowed and common he is nonetheless glad that men have not gone to the length of issuing marriage contracts to each other. 
  • This passage speaks specifically of marriage contracts. Had Ulla wished to object to the fact that sodomy was legal in his society, he'd have used a different word.
  • Obergfell requires states to license same-sex marriage. It doesn't require men to to issue marriage contracts to each other. Male lovers who wish to solemnize their relationships, or to arrange for things like inheritance, visitation, or child custody have always been allowed to draw up contracts to that effect. The Obergfell ruling did nothing to change that (though, ironically, thanks to Obergfell we'll now likely have fewer of these contracts that so disturbed Ulla.) 
  • Licenses and contracts are not the same. This passage speaks about contracts (and a specific kind of contract) not licenses. Obergfell is about licenses not contracts. 
Beraishis Rabbah 26:5
R. Huna said in R. Joseph's name : The generation of the Flood were not blotted out from the world until they wrote gumsiot in honor of pederasty and bestiality. R. Simlai said: Wherever you find lust, an epidemic visits the world which slays both good and bad.

Points to consider
  • The word "gumsiot" is in doubt. Soncino translates as "nuptial songs" but, in a note, adds that it may also means "marriage deeds." I think nuptial songs is more likely as its hard to see how anyone might imagine that marriage deeds were written for men and animals. (Animals can't enter into contracts). 
  • Because the word is in doubt, the way people handle it provides a reliable window into their politics. Someone who wants to harass and humiliate gays will insist it means marriage deeds, while those noble souls who wish to protect gays from such abuse will insist it means nuptial songs. 

General Rule of Thumb
Anyone employing either of these passages to help him fight the war against gay marriage is providing the rest of us with a fun example of someone reading his hate or his fears into a midrash. Someone predisposed to hate homosexuals will use these passages to legitimize his pre-existing enmity; meanwhile those of us who are not predisposed to oppose homosexuals, might do any of the following:

(1) Passively ignore these aggadot as so many other aggadot are ignored
(2) Use the license given to us by many sages to not only ignore aggadot but to actively disregard them as incorrect or false
(3) Interpret the passages . My "points to consider" above point the way.
(4) Employ some basic common sense, ie, by realizing that the court hasn't done anything to bring more sodomy into the world, and a different ruling wouldn't have decreased the amount of sodomy in the world. So even if you wish to believe that God hates sodomy (when it seems eminently more likely that the hate belongs, not to God, but to the author of the passages cited above) you can still choose to relax knowing that Obergfell hasn't done anything to make sodomy more likely to occur.

Stray gay thoughts Part 1


Those of you who are using Leviticus to explain or justify your opposition to gay marriage aren't fooling anyone. You read your hate (or love) INTO verses, not the other way around.

I'm a religious person. In fact, I'd argue that I'm just as religious as Zweibel and Huckabee and Santorum and all the other professional scolds who are ripping out their eyebrows over Obergfell. I fear God. I know my Bible. I attempt to conduct myself in a saintly way (in real life, at least. Not on this blog.) Yet, I don't feel obligated by Leviticus to harass, humiliate or otherwise inconvenience men and women who don't share my sexual orientation. What explains this?

The scolds say that my lax attitude on gay marriage is a symptom of my spiritual corruption. If I realty cared about God, they argue, I'd walk in their footsteps and fight to glorify His name by marginalizing other people. What they don't seem to realize is that they are subject to being hoisted on the same petard. According to Leviticus and Deuteronomy God hates lots of things, including shellfish-eaters, women who wear pants, charmers, necromancers, insect-eaters, Asian and African religious art, and divorced women who return to their husbands. All of these things are described as abominations which is the same word Leviticus uses to describe sodomy. Yet do our professional scolds fight any of these horrors with anything approaching the level of energy and funding that they bring to the battle against gay marriage? No, they do not. If they really cared about God wouldn't they be battling to shut down Red Lobster? Wouldn't they be demanding legislation to prevent wives from remarrying their first husbands following a post-divorce wedding to a second man?

Moreover, they've largely conceded the battle against sodomy. No one, not even Zweibel, advocates for the government to go barging into bedrooms. Which makes their heated opposition to gay marriage a complete waste of time. Gay sex is the real problem (if they are being honest, as opposed to angry)  and gay sex is legal and will remain legal, whether or not states license gay marriage.

In short we choose, as we have always chosen, how to understand, apply and enforce biblical verses. Leviticus merely says don't sodomize. It doesn't say raise a lot of money, and make a lot of noise and do everything in your power to make gay people as unhappy as possible. Someone who chooses to do that is motivated by hate, not Leviticus.

While its not in our power to abrogate the anti-gay verse in Leviticus, it is in our power to put it aside, like we have already put aside so many other verses, and wait for Elijah to tell us what to do with it. 

Sunday, July 05, 2015

Fisking Jewish reactions to Obergfell: Benjamin Yudin

I expect the next several days will offer some rich blogging opportunities as Cassandra Jews publish their reactions to Obergefell v. Hodges, the case decided last week in which the the Fourteenth Amendment was found to require a State to license a marriage between two people of the same sex and to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-State. If you see something that deserves a fisk just let me know.

Oh, How the Mighty Have Fallen
by Rabbi Benjamin Yudin

It is interesting to note that none of the 613 mitzvos of the Torah appear in the one hundred and four verses in Parshas Balak. There are, however, many important hashkafik principles contained therein. 

The neat thing about "haskofic principles" is you can find them anywhere. See how that ant is preparing for winter? Hashkofic principle. See how Abraham did this or said that? Hashkofic principle. In fact, if you'd like to be a great hashkofic thinker, too, really all you need to do is figure out the outcome you'd like to promote, and then read it back into Scripture. Its not as hard as it sounds.

The charge to the Jewish nation that their survival will depend on their remaining separate and distinct from the other nations of the world is found in (23:9), "hein am l'vadad yishkon - behold it is a nation that will dwell in solitude". 

That's not a really a "charge". Its more of a prophecy, and I don't see where the verse says we're obligated to fulfill the prophecy or that our survival depends on it. Anyway, this is pure "pick and choose" as all Jews are happy to intermingle and dwell in the exact opposite of solitude when it suits them. For example, many Jews break bread with Christians for the sake of fighting abortion and similar; Israelis take money from the US and from evangelicals when it suits them, etc., etc.

Moreover, the prophesy [sic] that there will always be Jewish houses of assembly for prayer and study is contained in (24:5), "mah tovu ohalecha Yaakov mishkenosecha Yisroel - how good are your tents, O Jacob, your dwelling places, O Israel". 

This isn't a prophecy. Its a first person observation. In this verse, Ballam is describing the tents he sees right in front of him. He's not looking into the future. He's reporting the present.

Finally, the assurance that Moshiach will redeem the Jewish nation at the end of history, is found in (24:17) "er'enu v'lo attah, ashurenu v'lo karov, darach kochav mi'Yaakov v'kom shevet mi'Yisroel - I shall see him, but not now, I shall look at him, but it is not near. A star has issued from Jacob and a scepter-bearer has risen from Israel". The Rambam (Hilchos Melachim 11:1) therefore notes that whoever denies the concept of Moshiach is denying the prophecy of Moshe Rabbeinu.

Still another mistake. Though the Rambam does cite this verse as an example of a Messiah prophecy, this one belongs to Billam, not Moses!  (If you deny it you're denying the prophecy of Billam, not Moses) Rabbi Yudin should have checked his source where he would have found that Rambam also mentions a specific prophecy of Moses -  Deuteronomy 30:3-5 - and it is this prophecy, not the prophecy of Ballam, that the Rambam has in mind when he says "anyone who does not believe in [Moshiach] or does not await his coming denies the prophecy of Moses."

[SNIP]

The Talmud (Chullin 92b) notes that while the nations of the world violate the seven Noachide laws, there are three laws that they do keep: they do not write a marriage contract for men to marry each other, they do not sell the remains of a human corpse, and they honor the Torah. 

These aren't "laws". Again Rabbi Yudin seems to have neglected his source!. Turn to Chullin 92b and you'll find this passage is not a statment of halacha, but an observation by Ulla, the fourth century amora. He says: These are the thirty commandments which the sons of Noah took upon themselves but they observe three of them, namely,(i) they do not draw up a kethubah document for males (ii) they do not weigh flesh of the dead in the market,2 and (iii) they respect the Torah. Does this sounds like a law to you?

How sad that in the times in which we live there is a flagrant violation of all three of these laws! 

Yeah. We'll get to that.

For example, recognizing the demand for organs, it has become prevalent that a cardiac arrest victim (having given explicit instructions) can have the "plug pulled" and his organs harvested shortly thereafter for a lucrative price. This is an outright violation of murder according to the Torah.

Poskim are divided as to whether or not this is considered "murder" so Yudin's use of the word "outright" seems very, very wrong.

More importantly, Yudin is unaware that organ selling is 100 percent illegal in the US.  Under the National Organ Transplant Act of 1984 (NOTA), any individual convicted of buying or selling human organs faces a five-year prison sentence and/or a hefty fine.

On June 26, 2015, the Supreme Court of the United States legalized gay marriage throughout the country. 

Not exactly. But I don't want to quibble about that. I want to explain why the rights provided by Obergfell are nothing like "draw[ing] up a kethubah document for males"

A ketubah is a prenuptual document that outlines the rights and responsibilities of the groom, in relation to the bride. When Ulla observed that the nations of the world [that he knew about] weren't drawing up ketubot he wasn't congratulating them for being anti-sodomy or anti-gay In his time and place sodomy was common, accepted and, most importantly, it was legal. In Ulla'a view, the nations of the world were to be commended for not imposing contractual responsibilities on sodomy partners, ie, you could practice free, no-obligation love with other men, and not have to make a post-breakup payment.

In the passage Yudin cites, Ulla is not expressing an objection to the legalization of sodomy - remember in his world it was legal - but an objection to rooting it in a contractual agreement that would impose financial burdens on one of the parties. Here's Soncino's explanation, "Although they are suspected of indecent practices and sodomy they do not go to that length of writing a ‘marriage’ deed for the purpose"

Now, of course Ulla opposed homosexuality, but his comment on Hulin 92b can only be tenuously connected to Obergfell.

Obergfell allows states to license gay marriage and a marriage license is nothing like a ketubah. A license is a permit from an authority to do something. A ketubah is a contract between two parties.

It is amazing how history repeats itself - historians attribute the downfall of both Greece and Rome to their acceptance of sexual immorality. 

This is utterly false. No historians make this attribution. Anyway, anyone who makes such a wanker argument ought to have the word stupid branded on his forehead. Homosexuality was legal in Rome centuries before the downfall of the empire, so in what sense did accepting homosexuality lead to it? If anything that happened prior to the collapse of the empire can be said to have led to the collapse, you could just as easily argue that replacing paganism with Christianity is what led to the downfall of Rome.

Anyway, how is history repeating itself? The US is still here and going strong.

The Medrash (Beraishis Rabbah 26:5) teaches that the final straw that sealed the fate of the generation of the flood was their writing a marriage contract for men to marry each other and for humans to marry animals. Note that the Torah's statement (Bresihis 2:24), "al kein ya'azov ish es aviv v'es imo v'dovak b'ishot v'hayu l'basae echad - therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and cling to his wife, and they shall became one flesh" was directed to all of mankind. As such, the Supreme Court decision is a direct violation of the third law which the Talmud (cited above, Chullin 92b) said the nations of the world keep, i.e. having regard and respect for the Torah.

I lost the thread of his argument. Is he mad that Obergfell allows gay men to draw up marriage contracts or is he mad that the Supreme Court disrespected the Torah? If the latter, he needs to acquaint himself with the Obergfel ruling and the difference between a license and a contract. If the former, he needs to acquaint himself with the Supreme Court, a body which never has shown any special respect for the Torah.

Anyway, to the actual  argument he's attempting here: Men have ALWAYS been free to remain bachelors and disregard Genesis 2:24. No one in this country has ever forced men to marry, and Obergfell doesn't give men any new right to avoid marriage. So how exactly does the decision disrespect Genesis 2:24?

Aside from shame and disappointment, how might Torah observant Jews respond to this? 

With happiness and joy, because history has shown us that we're safest when civil rights are respected and broadly extended.

See this what I don't get about Yidin and his fellow travlers. There is ZERO proof that accepting homosexuality causes empires to crumble, but there is tons of proof that Jews are better off when society liberalizes and respects the individual rights and humanity of all citizens.

Bilaam knew (Sanhedrin 106a) that the G-d of Israel despises immorality, and he therefore advised Moav that the way to attack the Jews is to entice the men of Israel to sin with Moavite women. Unfortunately his plan had initial success.

In Parshas Noach the Torah states that all of the civilization was to be destroyed since (Bereishis 6:12), "all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth". Rashi cites the Talmud (Sanhedrin 108a) that even the animals, beasts and birds cohabited with other species. The Bais Halevi (in his opening comment on Parshas Noach) asks, it is understood that man has free will regarding his morality, but animals don't have free will, so how did their natural inclinations change? He answers that the actions of man have cosmic consequences and as a result of man's immorality the animals were perverted as well. Is it not ironic that the rainbow flag has come to symbolize gay pride and rights! Unbeknownst to the designer creating a flag in 1978, our holy Torah has taught us (Bereishis 9:15) that the rainbow is a symbol of G-d's anger towards man being held in check by His oath not to destroy the world again after the flood; the rainbow serves as a clear indicator that man has angered his creator.

This Sunday, with the fast of the seventeenth of Tammuz, we begin the period of the three weeks which culminates in the fast of the ninth of Av. Aside from the formal restrictions of haircuts, weddings, and live music, this time is meant to be a period of introspection and self-scrutiny. 

No it isn't. Its meant to be a time of mourning. You can scrutinize and introspect if you want, but that's not the original intent.

Even as tumah-impurity spreads its ugly negativity in the rest of society, taharah-sanctity, purity and holiness can uplift and enhance society. Rav Pam zt"l was wont to cite the Talmud (Kedushin 7a) that if the owner of an animal consecrates the leg of the animal as an offering, the state of holiness encompasses the entire animal (certainly if he consecrates a limb that is vital to the life of the animal), and similarly we must be the holy element which uplifts the entire society. Our response must be greater adherence to and appreciation for the laws and privileged lifestyle of kedushah. Each and every beracha must remind us "asher kid'shonu b'mitzvosov - Who has sanctified us with His commandments." As even a small amount of light can dispel a great deal of darkness; may our increase of kedushah not only protect us and our families but also increase His presence in the world.

I hate this so much. If I agreed that homosexuality was putting America at risk, I wouldn't be urging people to fight that risk with magic and superstition. If you think homosexuality is a terrible thing, don't respond with an extra loud bracha. Fight back with arguments, and ideas. Try to educate your opponents. Show them they are mistaken. The fact that Yudin can't do this  - he can't identify any tangible harm that homsexuality is causing (its just spreading invisible, imperceptible tuma) and wants to fight it with magic - tells you that his objections are not rooted in rational thought, but in bias and hatred.

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Wednesday, July 01, 2015

Did Baci Weiler do anything wrong?


The other day, a Habad emissary accosted a short-haired Jew, and after introductory words - Have you heard of the Lubavitcher Rebbe? -the emissary invited the young Jew to wear tefillin.

Here's a photo of the magic moment:


Your surprise after the jump....

A joke that went over the head of most Americans


It was a cute bit, but most people in the audience probably had no idea what Jon Stweart and that ugly guy who portrayed Don Draper were talking about as they joked about going around the country looking for nine Jewish men.

Kudos to Jon Hamm, a non-Jew, for understanding the references, however. I guess everyone who spends time in Hollywood gets a little Jewy.




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Women and their absence from ritual, or how Orthodox Judaism infantalizes them


I harvested this post from the comments. It was written by a man called Daniel G. 

Many commenters here are focusing on the "women want to participate in ritual" issue. To the extent that they do, they are missing the bigger point being made here - women nowadays are doctors, lawyers, CEOs, judges, heads of state. Perhaps (once ISIS takes over the US) this will change in the future, but for now, being that things are the way they are, it is a tremendous disrespect to women to infantalize them. And, when *men* dictate to women what they may or may not do, that's exactly what it is. Imagine treating a 30-year-old adult child the way men treat women.

Even with "progressive" practices like Partnership Minyans, men are still the bosses. The proof? No ten men, no dice. All the men need to do is to pat their wives/daughters on the heads and say, "yes, honey, you go to the PM. I'm going to the regular shul."

As far as agunot are concerned, which is most definitely *not* a matter of ritual, women need their husband, a *man*, to give them a get, and absent that, they need a beit din, consisting of three *men* to declare the husband a mesarev, and even with the husband's consent, they need the same beit din, of three *men*, as well as two eidim, *men*, and a sofer, a *man*, to execute the get (all right, the sofer/beit din/eidim can do double or triple duty, thereby reducing, but not eliminating, the number of men necessary.)

Since this is the case, and women are intelligent enough to learn gemara, halacha, etc., men should be heartily endorsing higher Jewish education for all women who have the inclination to study - so that we can have a substantive conversation *with women* about these issues. Better that, than having the women give up in disgust and take matters into their own hands, (not necessarily al pi halacha since Orthodoxy has tended to criminalize women that have the nerve to study for semicha.) At that point, of course, the men will rush to justify ex-post-facto what is being done, or claim that what the women decided to do was their idea all along.

Not saying that women need to be on batei din, or eidim, or that ritual needs to change, or anything like that. Men's attitudes about women need to change. Maybe after talking about the issues things will change, and maybe they won't.

Bottom line - Women's absence from rtitual is a symptom, not a root cause. Most women that I have met take Yahadut seriously and want to discuss the issues *with men.* Most men that I have met want to talk *about women* rather than with them.
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