Fred said:
The point is that your attitude of F you forever is a recipe for constant hatred or at least perpetual dislike.
I say:
That's not my attitude. My attitude is F YOU until you stop insulting us (see the events of 2009) and not before you repudiate that doctrine, the bulls, and the encyclicals that made possible a millennium worth of massacres. So long as that filth is still on their official books, so long as some of the architects of that filth are recognized as their saints they are unforgiven.
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MS said:
Does the church today say anything worse about Jews than the Talmud says about gentiles? At least they're trying to make amends and have changed their views. Has the gemara?
I say:
Did anything in the gemarah produce 2000 years of suffering, massacres, death and destruction. Only a fool would try to create an equivlancy. A fool or an ignoramus. Which are you?
PS: they have not "changed their views" As recently as 2009 the Pope restored a Mass prayer calling for our conversion. The encyclicals which declare us slaves in perpetuity and require us to live in ghettos and wear yellow badges have not been rescinded (Did you think the Nazis were original?) The thousands of official Vatican newspaper articles defending the blood libel and slandering us as vampires have not been corrected. The Pope who called us dogs, and stole our children and forced us to literally kiss his feet and to run naked in the street for his own amusement remain their hallowed saints. And the Pope who legitimized Nazi Germany with a treaty, the pope who excommunicated every communist in the world yet allowed a requiem Mass for Adolph Hitler, the pope who called for public protests against how the Nazis treated converted Jews but never said a word in the defense of other Jews -- that evil Pope - remains firmly on the path to sainthood.
PPS: You mention the gemarah... but how can a book that was published over a thousand years ago change its mind? As for the Jews themselves, of course we have discounted and disregarded the Talmud's teaching on this subject, and some of us did this centuries ago.
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Fred said:
What is your plan for living in a society with Catholics other than perpetuating religious prejudice and dislike? You think they haven't gone far enough, but neither have we. And we both know that Jews will not repudiate the Talmud.
I say:
The neat thing about living in 2013 is I don't need a plan for living with Catholics. They no longer hold any power and they are no longer any threat to me. So let them go their way, and I 'll go mine. I don't need to desecrate a shul or a shabbos by allowing one of them to preach at me about being good neighbors
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JB said:
Jesis Qrist, man, let it go already. You're not going to influence R' Robinson, you're just getting yourself and others upset. And stop insulting the shul I grew up in, and still have business in. Maybe, just maybe, the religious professionals there have a better grasp of the interfaith situation than you or I.
I say:
...or maybe they're a bunch of snivelers who have a psychological need to suck up to goyim. And could you spare me the BS about "interfaith situation" There's no "situation." We can go on ignoring each other very happily. The only reason for the two faiths to team up is when we want the same thing from Albany or Washington and that can be coordinated without desecrating a shul.
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The point is that your attitude of F you forever is a recipe for constant hatred or at least perpetual dislike.
I say:
That's not my attitude. My attitude is F YOU until you stop insulting us (see the events of 2009) and not before you repudiate that doctrine, the bulls, and the encyclicals that made possible a millennium worth of massacres. So long as that filth is still on their official books, so long as some of the architects of that filth are recognized as their saints they are unforgiven.
~~~
MS said:
Does the church today say anything worse about Jews than the Talmud says about gentiles? At least they're trying to make amends and have changed their views. Has the gemara?
I say:
Did anything in the gemarah produce 2000 years of suffering, massacres, death and destruction. Only a fool would try to create an equivlancy. A fool or an ignoramus. Which are you?
PS: they have not "changed their views" As recently as 2009 the Pope restored a Mass prayer calling for our conversion. The encyclicals which declare us slaves in perpetuity and require us to live in ghettos and wear yellow badges have not been rescinded (Did you think the Nazis were original?) The thousands of official Vatican newspaper articles defending the blood libel and slandering us as vampires have not been corrected. The Pope who called us dogs, and stole our children and forced us to literally kiss his feet and to run naked in the street for his own amusement remain their hallowed saints. And the Pope who legitimized Nazi Germany with a treaty, the pope who excommunicated every communist in the world yet allowed a requiem Mass for Adolph Hitler, the pope who called for public protests against how the Nazis treated converted Jews but never said a word in the defense of other Jews -- that evil Pope - remains firmly on the path to sainthood.
PPS: You mention the gemarah... but how can a book that was published over a thousand years ago change its mind? As for the Jews themselves, of course we have discounted and disregarded the Talmud's teaching on this subject, and some of us did this centuries ago.
~~~
Fred said:
What is your plan for living in a society with Catholics other than perpetuating religious prejudice and dislike? You think they haven't gone far enough, but neither have we. And we both know that Jews will not repudiate the Talmud.
I say:
The neat thing about living in 2013 is I don't need a plan for living with Catholics. They no longer hold any power and they are no longer any threat to me. So let them go their way, and I 'll go mine. I don't need to desecrate a shul or a shabbos by allowing one of them to preach at me about being good neighbors
~~~
JB said:
Jesis Qrist, man, let it go already. You're not going to influence R' Robinson, you're just getting yourself and others upset. And stop insulting the shul I grew up in, and still have business in. Maybe, just maybe, the religious professionals there have a better grasp of the interfaith situation than you or I.
I say:
...or maybe they're a bunch of snivelers who have a psychological need to suck up to goyim. And could you spare me the BS about "interfaith situation" There's no "situation." We can go on ignoring each other very happily. The only reason for the two faiths to team up is when we want the same thing from Albany or Washington and that can be coordinated without desecrating a shul.
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