Thursday, November 26, 2009

Welcome Celebrity Death Penalty Supporters



See Dudley Sharp, who has recently joined the DovBear commenting community, arguing with some talk show host in favor of life imprisonment for children. Dudley is a prolific supporter of capital punishment. His essays, comments, and op-eds can be found all over the Internet. We confess to not understanding why someone would commit quite that much energy toward the goal of getting people killed - including those who may have been convicted by mistake - but to each his own. We welcome him to the threads, and hope his attitude may become moderated via daily exposure to SM, E_Fink, Tziporah, CA, and the other furiously wise progressives who live here.


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Everything you ever wanted to know about DovBear and thanksgiving but were afraid to ask

Beware of Thanksgiving grinchs (great thread)




Lo Yisa Goy

The Oregon Hillel Jewish acappella group


Wednesday, November 25, 2009

When did the name change take effect?

Curious. It says Yaakov called the place Bethel, though Luz was its original name. When did this change take effect? Did the townspeople down the hill take into account Yaakov's decision and immediately order new stationary, municipal seals and so on? Seems unlikely right? So when did Luz really become Bethel?




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Reeks of the shtetel

Does your kid's school also run a sexist and unprofessional chanuka gelt shakesdown scheme or is mine the only one?


Here's what was received in the mail. [Paraphrased]

Dear Parent:

We're showing our appreciation for the holy rebayim and not so holy teachers by collecting tips. Unless you're comfortable insulting the adult into who's charge your precious child is entrusted for up to 9 hours per day, here is what you have to do: Send in some money. We suggest you give the XX inferiors $10 per child, however the size of the gift of appreciation you wish to bestow upon the holy XYs is left to your discretion. We trust in your munificence. It would be a real shame if anything were to happen to little Shraga Velvel's kneecaps. With Torah blessings, etc etc.

And here is how I'd like to reply:

Dear Moneygrubber:

Sorry sport, but you've already shaken me down for a high 4-figure tuition per kid, plus building fund, dinner obligation, journal obligation, student activity fee, and textbook fee. Why don't you reach into your pocket and give the teachers their bonus dough out of that? As I tell Shraga Velvel, I'm not made out of money, and if you lay one finger on his kneecaps I'll let the IRS and the Labor Department know all about your dishonorable, dishonest labor practices. With "Torah blessings" indeed.



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A pluralism march in Jerusalem

A guest post by YC

Following violent demonstrations at Intel's ultra-Orthodox
Thick and violent demonstrations of ultra-Orthodox Karta
Secular, religious and traditional
Say enough attempts compulsion Orthodox
Unite to restore the city
His sanity, freedom, and mutual respect
Meet in Paris Square parade to start, through the Consumer Hamashbir,
Yehuda Ben Zion Square and finish a big event everyone's freedom and pluralism in Jerusalem
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Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Retraction and apology

A Guest Post by Rafi G

In a conversation in Twitter yesterday I asked DovBear a rude question, making an assumption about his understanding of how we relate to midrashim.

I hereby publicly, not just on Twitter, apologize to Dovbear for that. I retract my question, considering it was based on a misunderstanding of DBs position, and I apologize for the implication in the question.

It got pretty heated, and if you are not following @dovbear and @gldmeier on twitter (among many other great tweeters in our regular conversations), you have been missing some great conversations...



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Win a a $25 gift certificate from Oh Nuts

Ok, kids time to register for yet another exciting contest from Oh Nuts.


Here's what you do:

(2) Choose the Hanukkah Gift you like best
(3) Leave a comment on your blog post with the name and url of the gift.

At some point, I'll use my clairvoyant powers to select a deserving winner, and the Oh Nuts people will send you a gift certificate.

Other ways to enter (Enter as often as you like)

(1) Go to the Oh Nuts facebook page and post the url and name of your favorite Hanukkah Gift on the wall. Also, write "I am here via DovBear" (required)

(2) Follow @ohnuts and Tweet:
"Win a free Hanukkah Gift from http://bit.ly/6nIsCi Follow @ohnuts & Retweet to enter."

The Death Penalty

A Guest Post by E. Fink

Some of you may know that I am a Law Student. I was called upon to present an argument against the Death Penalty. The other two students in my group took the issues of financial feasibility and the issue of "killing the right person". I had to argue that the Death Penalty is immoral.

(The primary arguments for the death penalty are deterrence and retribution. There is no evidence whether capital punishment deters or that it does not deter. Punishing for retribution seems to be driven by vengeance rather than morality or fairness.)


DovBear thought it would be entertaining to present my argument and give you commenters a chance to weigh in. So here goes...

In the USA, murder is against the law. One citizen may not take the life of another. This is a good law and is a basic law in any civilized country. The law is based upon our sense of morality. That means that the starting point when thinking about the morality of taking another's life is, that it is immoral.

Of course there are exceptions. One who fears for his life may defend his life and is justified in killing his would-be murderer. This is called self-defense.

The application of this defense is very specific. There are other defenses or justifications to First Degree Murder but none will serve as a complete defense, they will only mitigate the charge or perhaps affect the sentencing (Defense of another is just like self defense and fleeing felon is under constitutional scrutiny). In other words, taking the life of another is never completely justified unless it to save one's own life.

There should be no exception for the government. The State and Federal Governments have a duty to observe the same laws of morality the citizens must observe. The only moral excuse for killing is in self defense. Self defense can only be argued when the danger is imminent. Once a murderer is apprehended and incarcerated there is no self defense excuse. An incarcerated prisoner poses no imminent danger, thus the taking of his or her life is by definition immoral.

We are not bound to punish criminals by the same heinous acts they committed. The law of our country does not hold lex talionis. We don't punish a criminal with the same act he criminally committed. We shudder at the thought of torturing a torturer or raping a rapist or battering a batterer, how could we be so callous about taking the life of a killer...?

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PleaseOhPleaseOhPleaseOhPlease

All I want for Solstice is this:



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Error in the biblical narrative

A guest post by Pen Tivokesh


My son had had his turn, repeating two horrific Sedrah anecdotes that had been taught in school. True I had tolerated only the first one, which was if not factually consistent, at least semi coherent. You see, the second vort was an infantile anagram by some Hasidic Rebbe. I stopped my son mid sentence, and told him that despite his impeccable deliverance, this was a lame vort that had no artistic merit in my opinion. Now that was harsh, and perhaps in retrospect, I should not have done that. Son, I pray that our relationship does not suffer any long term damage as a consequence. Not!

Now it was my turn, my very own Parsha anecdotes. I tell them that in this weeks Sedrah, some commentaries (שפתי חכמים) question the Midrash's reasoning that Isaac was moulded to look just like his father Abraham, to counter those who were sceptical of Isaac's parentage. Given that the look might have been the result of a "Maternal Impression" upon Isaac, with Sarah having gazed upon Abraham often during pregnancy (well not quite, but I didn't want to spell it out to the tee) how would it have resolved the conspiracy theory?

"And next week contains the same error but in the biblical narrative" I add.

"Where is that?" my son asks.

I tell them that Jacob uses "Maternal Imprinting" to increase the quantity of marked sheep within Laban's flock. The boy smiles. He understands that heredity is genetic and that Maternal impression is an out of date and refuted science. I tell them that pregnant women, according to our tradition, ought not to visit the zoo because if they do, they might give birth to a monkey. As my grandma used to say "מען קען זיך פארקוקען".

Also I relate how in the Talmud, Rav Kahana says that Dama Ben Nesina put red dye before a cow so that a red heifer might be born (Avoda Zara 24A), and that the Ya'avetz explains that this was akin to what Jacob had done with the rods before the sheep of Laban. (נ"ב כדרך שעשה יעקב אבינו ע"ה מקלות)

My daughter listening to this Shabbos meal discussion, tells me with a revealing grin that she still believed the stories despite the flaws, "OK", I say smiling, "sure". Perhaps she does, but this in no way inhibits her desire to watch her favourite TV program on the computer come Sunday.

I say that there are some speckled sheep, a breed named Jacob, and that legend has it that this breed descends from the original flock which was unto Jacob our ancestor. I add that just like our own ancestry, this tale too has little basis in reality. The kids laugh.

They are accustomed to my heretical viewpoint. We discuss, we argue and we debate. I do not know if this is a wise path to take, nor do I claim to be motivated by rationality. I have no idea what the consequence of such an education might be. They might take my standpoint, or perhaps might deviate in any direction. A logical possibility though, is that they might become acclimatised to the questions, and thus unlike myself, might settle for mediocre answers.
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Monday, November 23, 2009

Yachad

This is Sababa, a Jewish acapella group at UNC Chapel Hil.


Update: In deference to those who found the Sababa version a little hard on the ears, I give you Rythem and Jews from the University of Chicago.


Carrie Prejean

Was it just a few short months ago that Carrie Prejean was waving around her cross and telling us how Jesus wanted us to live? Now that her eighth sex tape has been discovered, I think its safe to say the former Miss California is just another one of those scolding conservative hypocrites.

Shidduch short cut

Here's some good news for far-flung parents who are shopping for a Lakewood son-in-law. Previously, parents in places like Toronto or L.A. seeking the honor and joy of finding for their daughter a mate who would forever require financial support were inconvenienced by geography and the expense of travel. Now, thanks to the magic of the allegedly asur Internet those difficulties are eliminated. Quote:

Shidduch-Vision is where boys and girls in Shidduchim can meet up to three times via high-quality, commercial-grade video conferencing set up in private homes. This will save time, money and the need to travel. If it’s on target-they continue in person
By "on target" I presume they mean "hot enough to make a trip worthwhile." What goes unmentioned is how much easier this makes it for an attractive girl to snare her kollel prince, while also permitting young Torah scholars to scope out potential dates before committing to an investment of time and money. Otherwise, couldn't they just use the phone?

Bonus Hysteria: the link above includes a video of Lakwooders acting like they've landed on the moon as they sample the snazzy, video-conferencing equipment. And(!) the tablecloth covering the table where the Torah Bachelor sits is is white and unprotected by plastic. Thank Goodness!

Additional Bonus Hysteria: The Rosh Yeshiva and the Mashgiach were both in attendance at the grand opening! (If you don't know who the Rosh Yeshiva and Mashgiach are you're not likely to be using this service, so no worries). Aren't you relived to know these two luminaries had time enough to bless this new enterprise? Here's a tip for Lakewood businessmen: If you want a big PR boost from Lakewood's top two celebrities, don't tell people you sell cars. Tell people you sell cars THAT CAN BE USED BY PEOPLE WHO WISH TO DATE FOR THE PURPOSE OF MARRIAGE! And so on.

Evil prank


A horrible Jewish daughter nearly kills her parents --live and on the radio.

Sunday, November 22, 2009

Where did Yaakov sleep?

The verses plainly say Yaakov slept and saw the ramp/ladder in Bes El, yet many midrashim endeavor to put him at Mount Moriah as well or instead. Why?

Answers tomorrow.


The answer, as aptly explained by Lurker:
The entire story of Yaakov at Beit El reads as a ringing endorsement of the Temple built there by Yeravam to replace the one in Jerusalem. Yaakov states, "Surely the Lord is in this place... this is none other than the House of God, and this is the Gate of Heaven!" (Bereishit 28:16-17). The "House of God" seems to be a direct parallel to the term "House of the Lord", used throughout the Tanakh as a reference to the Beit HaMikdash. In fact, so does the very name "Beit El" itself, which Yaakov bestows upon the place.

In case all that isn't clear enough, Yaakov continues and states it straight out, explicitly: In 28:20-22, Yaakov takes an oath that if God will enable him to return to Beit El, then Yaakov (or, by implication, his descendants) will actually construct a temple ("Beit Elohim") there.

Haza"l, theologically descended as they were from the kingdom of Judah rather than Israel, were disturbed by the implications of this endorsement of Yeravam's temple in Beit El, so (in certain midrashim, at least) they tried to recast it as Jerusalem.
Well done Lurker.

Left uninterpreted, the account of Jacob-in-Bethel is the ultimate George-Washington-slept-here-story. Not only did the famous Patriarch spend the night on the future site of Yeravam's Temple, he also erected a marker and promised to build a house of worship on that very spot. The midrshaim that seek to put Jacob at Mount Moriah instead, or, in the case of the famous contracting-land midrash, to put him at both Moriah and simultaneously, sound for all the world like interpretive dances performed to escape/erase what the verses plainly say: Yaakov slept and dreamt in Bethel.

Some additional points:

:: We all take it for granted that Jacob had his vision on Moriah* the spot where the Jerusalem Temple would ultimately be built, just as we all take it for granted that the attempted sacrifice of Isaac occurred there, too. However, neither are directly represented in the text (and, as Nachum Sarna points out, Abraham's decision to bring his own wood makes it unlikely that he had been sent to forested Moriah.) Like the idea that Noah preached repentance for 120 years and Abraham's monotheism, these are interpretations -- not necessarily incorrect interpretations, but interpretations, nonetheless.

:: Bible scholars see the the trip to Bethel as an etiological tale, composed for the purpose of justifying Yeravam's Temple after it had already been constructed. (Richard Elliot Friedman, who says that E, a northern text, was merged with J, the southern book, after the exile of the Northern kingdom, sees Genesis 28 as an example of the combined text, assigning the verses which use the J name of God to the J source (28:13-16), while assigning the promise to build a Temple to E (28: 17-18 and 20-22) I agree this sounds forced.

* Updated to reflect that fact that the verse does say that Issac was taken to "the land of Moriah"; the interpretation (per Sarna) is that this was the Har Habayis, rather then some general region in the desolate wilderness.

Nachamu

Added 10 PM: These are the Vokols, who sing at Pitt.

Added November 24: Rythm and Jews, from the University of Chicago



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The result of the hafganot

A Guest Post by Rafi G

The hafganah of the Eida and its followers against Intel (We should name the weekly Eida Hafgana something like "the what they will protest against next week hafgana") stepped up a notch this week, though the details of that do not interest me all that much.

At hafganot, police provoke, protesters provoke, things get hot, people get hit, people get hurt, people get arrested. The Eida is now complaining that the Gaavad got hit in a scuffle and how dare they, but that is part of the risk of taking part in a [semi-] violent hafgana, so no sympathy from me (though the police could have used more tact and avoided the Gaavad).

What does interest me is a new phenomenon that is being reported by the Haredim website, That is, somebody spray painted the sheim hamefurash on the street leading up to the location of the hafgana. Some rabbonim who saw it said protesters should avoid walkign there, and it is a problem to erase it as well, so they covered it up with carton so people would not inadvertently step on it. The Gaavad himself said it is not a big deal, as a heretic who writes a Torah imbues it with no holiness, and this would be the same.

My point is that this is where the hafganot have taken us. They have done nothing but create fresh hostility and hatred against religion, and they have accomplished nothing in the form of increasing any level of shmiras shabbos by anybody, not publicly nor privately. They are now getting the secular to not just oppose the haredim, but to actually defile the name of God publicly, as a response.


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